Thursday, June 5, 2008

Grammar a Day - Level 1 [ どうやら (douyara) ]

どうやら (douyara) - it seems, apparently, somehow


--- Examples ---
急いだので、どうやら間に合った
I rushed, and somehow made it on time

どうやら、彼は知らないらしい
It seems he doesn't know

どうやらあの人が判らないらしい。
It appears that he cannot identify that man there.

「あら
ごめんなさい。どうやら間違え電話をしてしまったようだね。」
'Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I have the wrong number.'

どうやら、そのみすぼらしいアパートは空き家のようだ。
Apparently the shabby flat is vacant.

どうやらおっしゃるとおりだと思います。
I almost think you're right.

どうやらひどい風邪にかかったようだ。
I seem to have caught a bad cold.

どうやら誤解があるようだ。
There appears to be a misunderstanding.

どうやら私はバスの中で財布を盗まれたらしい。
The chances are that I had my wallet stolen on the bus.

どうやら食べ過ぎたみたいだ。
I'm afraid I've eaten too much.

どうやら明日は雨のようだ。
I'm afraid it will rain tomorrow.

天気はどうやら、回復しそうだ。
It would seem that the weather is improving.

危機をどうやら脱したようだ。
We seem to have escaped form danger.

--- Comments ---
As for the first example, J should be
どうやら彼_は_分からないらしい。
彼が分からないらしい would be, it seems she doesn't know who he
is. (contributor: Miki)

どうやら彼が分からないらしい means someone (who remains
unidentified but not the speaker) cannot discern him.

どうやら彼は分からないらしい means 'he' is not able to
discern something (not dicclosed) as observed by the speaker.

(contributor: bamboo4)

Accordingly, 彼が分からないらしい should be changed to
彼は知らないらしい.


(contributor: bamboo4)

Is the 'somehow' meaning similar to nantoka (なんとか)? If so, there is
no entry for that currently... (contributor: yookoso)

Yes, it seems to be so.
ex#1279, 3933 and 3934 どうやら can be replaced by なんとか.
(contributor: Miki)

#3095
I would say 'どうやら、あの人は判らないらしい。'

#3930
I would say
'どうやら、私はバスの中で財布を盗まれたようだ。'

The other examples are OK. (contributor: Nick)

#3095 どうやら、(あの人は he)あの人が(that man
there)判らないらしい。
#3930 Both …らしい。 and …ようだ。 are fine. (contributor:
Miki)

#3095
彼はどうやら、あの人が誰なのか見分けがつかないようだ。
(contributor: Nick)

〜らしい (I hear that... / Someone says that...)
〜ようだ (It seems that...)
These are not interchangeable. (contributor: Nick)

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

Grammar a Day - Level 1 [ 〜まじき (majiki) ]

〜まじき (majiki) - not likely


--- Examples ---
許すまじきことであれ。
It's something that cannot be forgiven

すまじきものは宮仕え。
It's government service one should avoid.

許すまじき暴言を吐いた。
She used offensive language that cannot be forgiven.

--- Comments ---
まじ is a predecessor of まい, both archaic foorm of auxilliary verb
meaning negation of べし.

In the modern Japanese, it is not commonly used in conversation excpet for
some archaic set phrase such as すまじきものは宮仕え、This was
written about 1,000 years ago by 清少納言(Seishonagon) in her essay
called 枕草子(Makurano Soushi). (contributor: bamboo4)

can this be translated as 'no need to'? (contributor: dc)

No, it's more emphatic 'should not.' (contributor: bamboo4)

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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Grammar a Day - Level 1 [ をよそに (woyosoni) ]

をよそに (woyosoni) - Without consideration for... / Despite... /
Without thinking...

--- Notes ---
Noun + をよそに

Aは Bをよそに Cする。- 'Despite B, A did C.'

--- Examples ---
彼は大学入試をよそに、毎日パソコンに興じてる。
Despite having university entrance exams soon, he's wasting his time on
the computer every day.

親の心配をよそに遊んでばかりいる。
Without considering that his parents might be worried, he always slacks
off.

中国人の反対の声をよそに、小泉総理は靖国神社に参拝してしまいました。
Without respect for the protests from China, Mr Koizumi visited Yasukuni
Shrine.

--- Comments ---
I think this grammar might be related to 他所/よそ/'A different place'.
For example '他所の人' - 'Stranger'.

I know this kanji is not used often, but is this relationship correct?
(contributor: blabby)

I think so.
#5495 Looks 文字化け. 毎日???に興じてる。 (contributor: Miki)

Thanks for pointing that out Miki. For some reason sometimes just one or
two Kanji become 文字化け. Im not sure if its this site or my
computer... (contributor: blabby)

blabby - what browser and OS are you using? it might be because your
browser is not sending pages in the right encoding. sometimes multi-byte
items can get chewed up. (contributor: dc)

よそに or 余所に means 'treating as if it is somehwere unrelated.'
(contributor: bamboo4)

Hi DC, I'm using Windows XP SP2 English version with microsoft IME 2002
version 8.1. I am using firefox v1.0.6. If nobody else has problems then it
is probably just my computer. Its not a big problem, Ill just have to check
my examples a lot. (contributor: blabby)

should the note read 'Despite B, A did C'? (contributor: yookoso)

Whoops, thanks yookoso. I mixed up A and B. Fixed! (contributor: blabby)

よそに=ものともせず?? (contributor: サリル)

よそに and ものともせず is not equal.
よそに implys neglecting/(despite) B, A did C.
ものともせず implyes overcome obstacles and do something. in defiance
of [~womonotomosezuni]
(contributor: Miki)

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Monday, June 2, 2008

Grammar a Day - Level 1 [ みせる (miseru) ]

みせる (miseru) - am determined to


--- Examples ---
今年こそは修士論文を書き上げてみせる。
This very year or never, I'm going to finish my MA thesis, if you will.

読んでみせる
I'm going to read it, if you will.

どんな手を使ってでも勝ちとってみせる。
I win by all means.

私はどんな困難にも耐えてみせる。
I'm sure I can overcome any difficulty.

石にかじりついても成功してみせる。
I will succeed at any cost.

--- Comments ---
the will read ex is more a usage example - note the in boxes. i decided to
skip a big coding exercise and use the existing structure to include basic
grammar usage too. (contributor: dc)

This is an (or however you're going to categorize 'verb-te aux-verb'
(contributor: Amatuka)

not to be confused with 見せかける, to pretend/feign or have outward
appearance (usually used for things though) (contributor: dc)

...してみせる is a very difficult concept to convey. I am not sure
that there is an English equivalent. (contributor: bamboo4)

After thinking about it at length, I scrap verything I said and decided
that the best Japanese equivlant is 'if you will.'
That's not exactly the concept behind みせる but I think it is what I
would say if I am speaking in English. (contributor: bamboo4)

what about simply 'i'll show you! '? (contributor: rasmusjp)

'i'll show you! '? sounds like a really easy way to remember this. i wonder
if its accurate translation of the mood... (contributor: dc)

in many movies and comics that i translate(d), みせる is usually said by
annoyed youths, so the mood might as well be the same :) (contributor:
Kaens)

This is a tricky one. I think that the translation into 'I'll show you' is
good - except that you wouldn't really say that in English.
It is a form used when you have something to prove, or the desire to show
someone that you can/will do (whatever).
That said, in English there is no set phrase commonly uttered aloud to
express that feeling.
(Other than 'I'll show you/him/her/them!', but that is more often said to
one's self, rather than to another.
Compare
りんごを食べる! 
- I will eat an apple

りんごを食べてみせる!
- I will eat an apple (*while thinking* ...and show you! You said I
couldn't, so this will show you how wrong you are!) (contributor: skottt)

There are plenty of good translations in English.

The phrases 'Just you wait!' and 'You'll see!' pop immediately to mind, in
terms of phrases you can use when you've got something to prove.

The only difference? It's not in vogue in America to directly convey that
you have something to prove -- has a bit of the air of a children's
cartoon.

As a result, both of the phrases above, while a good translation, are
mostly only used in a silly or archaic fashion in English.

For instance, when I make fun of my girlfriend, she always replies
defiantly, 'One day I'll show you, you big lout!'

You could translate that to 'Itsuka Utte miseru!' (The 'utsu' verb for
exacting revenge, I forget the kanji)

It's archaic language used to convey a silly effect, not because the words
are 'old fashioned' but because the *feeling behind them* isn't one that
English speakers like to directly express. (contributor: Televangelist)

can it be thought of in contrast with ~てみる ? if so would the
translation of ~てもせる be ? (contributor: gandal)

how about this for a simpler explanation. the verb 見せる means to show.
so してみせる could best be translated as I will see (because I will
show you).

Ex

今年、僕は大学を卒業してみせる。
You will see, This year I will graduate.
(contributor: tigert)

How about 'too' as in, I will too eat the apple! (contributor: db)

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Sunday, June 1, 2008

Grammar a Day - Level 1 [ 〜それまでだ ([conditional] + soremadeda) ]

〜それまでだ ( + soremadeda) - Conveys the idea that if something
occurs, then a bad end is reached.


--- Examples ---
一生懸命勉強しても試験に合格しなければそれまでだ。
Even if you study hard, you will fail the exam and that's the end of that.

悪いことをしないほうがいいよ。見つかればそれまでだ。
You shouldn't be doing this. If they find out, that will be the end of
that.

雨天ならそれまでだ。
If it rains, that's the end of that.

死んだらそれまでだ。
If you die, you die.

いくらお金を稼いでも、死んでしまえばそれまでだ。
No matter how much money you earn, once you die, that is the end of it.


ダイエット中なのにアイスクリームをたくさん食べたらそれまでだ

--- Comments ---
Even if you study hard, you will fail the exam and that's the end of that.
(contributor: Glen Charles Rowell)

for the above example
一生懸命勉強しても試験に合格しなければそれまでだ。
(contributor: Glen Charles Rowell)

Thanks for checking. (contributor: Miki)

You can also use this with other conditionals such as 〜たら, 〜なら,
〜と. Although most JLPT books only have the 〜ばそれまでだ
version.

'that's the end of that' is a great translation. Thanks. (contributor:
blabby)

I think 'that's the end of that' is grossly ambiguous and it is not a good
English. I suggest the following:

#4765
Even if you study hard, should you fail the exams,then the things would go
kaput!

#5315
That's bad and you shouldn't be doing that. If they ever find out, you will
be hitting your point of no return.

#5316
If it rains, that's how the ball bounces.

(contributor: bamboo4)

To me, rather than 'that's the end of that', it sounds more natural to say
something more along the lines of ' that's it' or depending on the case,
'you're screwed'. A good example would be from the sentence above -
悪いことをしないほうがいいよ。見つかればそれまでだ。
You shouldn't be doing stuff like that. Somebody sees you and you're gonna
be screwed. (contributor: HokkaidoHillbilly)

hello hillbilly: care to put that one in as an example? it seems a good
one. (contributor: dc)

I think 'you're screwed' is also a good translation (意訳) in the case of
my example #5315. 'That's the end of that' might not be the most natural,
but it is a general translation which fits almost all examples.

To me 'That's bad and you shouldn't be doing that. If they ever find out,
you will be hitting your point of no return. ' seems a little strange.
(contributor: blabby)

I also like to use 'that's all she wrote' for this one. Like, 'then you're
screwed', it's a bit colloquial, but definitely sounds natural. I also
wonder if using a repetition here: for instance [#5315] could be written
'...if you fail, you fail.' However, in English, this can also have the
sense of 'no big deal', or 'you can't argue with fate'. So for [#5316] 'If
it rains, it rains' - in English, this has the implication that a) there's
nothing you can do about it, and possibly b) no big deal. Are these nuances
present in the Japanese? (contributor: srobertson)

The grammar entry meaning 'if .. then it was over' is a poor match. At
the least it should be 'if ... then it _is_ over.' (contributor: Paul)

'That's the end of that' is (I believe) much better English than those very
odd phrases suggested above. The only problem with #4765 is that it is
conditional, and therefore should be written: If you study hard and still
fail the exam, that's the end of that. (contributor: Dutch)

[#5316] 'If it rains, it rains' would be a good translation, since in
Japanese, it conveys the feeling of resignation, too. Such tautological
statement has the connotation of emphasis in Japanese.
雨が降るから雨が降る. (contributor: bamboo)

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